The GANDER (& GANDAR)

The GANDER (& GANDAR)

One-Name Study

One-Name Study

 

Timeline

1642-1700

1642 First Civil War in England (to 1649)
1649 King Charles I executed
1649-1660 Commonwealth Period - Oliver Cromwell
1651-1652 The second English Civil War
1660 Restoration Period
- Commonwealth registers ended, Parish Registers resumed
1663 Earliest Roman Catholic registers
1665 Great Plague of London
1666 Great Fire of London
- Act of Parliament - burials to be in woollen
1668 British East India Company obtains control of Bombay
1684 Huguenot registers begin in London
1685 Monmouth rebellion and battle of Sedgemoor
- Revocation of the Edict of Nantes - drove thousands of Protestants (Huguenots) from France
1688 Nov: James II abdicates - William of Orange lands at Torbay on 5 Nov - William III and Mary II, daughter of James II, jointly take the throne
1689 Deposed James II flees to Ireland - defeated at the Battle of the Boyne (1 Jul 1690)
1696 Act of Parliament establishes Workhouses
1698 Duties (taxes) on entries in parish registers - repealed after five years
1700 population in England and Scotland approx 7.5 million

1701-1750

1702 Anne Stuart becomes Queen
1707 Union with Scotland
1708 First Jacobite rising in Scotland
1710 Tax on Apprentice Indentures
1712 Last trial for witchcraft in England (Jane Wenham)
1714 Queen Anne Stuart dies - George I Hanover becomes king (1714-1727)
1715 Jacobite rebellion in Scotland, under the Old Pretender
1719 Third abortive Jacobite rising
1721 Robert Walpole (Whig) becomes first Prime Minister (to 1742)
1723 The Workhouse Act or Test - to get relief, a poor person has to enter Workhouse
1727 George I dies - George II Hanover becomes king
1729 Methodists begin at Oxford
1730 Irish famine
1732 Earliest Cavalry and Infantry Muster Rolls
1733 Law forbidding the use of Latin in parish registers generally obeyed - some continued in Latin for a few years
1738 Earliest Calvinistic Methodist registers
1739 Dick Turpin, highwayman, hanged at York
1741 Benjamin Ingham founded the Moravian Methodists or Inghamites - Earliest Moravian registers
1743 Battle of Dettingen - last time a British sovereign (George II) led troops in battle
1745 Jacobite rebellion in Scotland ('The Forty-five')
1746 Battle of Culloden - last battle fought in Britain
1748-1756 Countess of Huntington's (Calvinistic) Methodist Connexion founded

1751-1800

1751 decision to adopt Gregorian Calendar in 1752: so 1752 started on 1 January and 1751 was a short year.
1752 - 3 Sep: Julian Calendar dropped and Gregorian Calendar adopted in England and Scotland, making this 14 Sep
1753 Earliest Inghamite registers
1754 Hardwicke Act (1753): Banns to be called, and Printed Marriage Register forms to be used - Quakers & Jews exempt
- First printed Annual Army Lists
1755 Publication of Dictionary of the English Language by Dr Samuel Johnson
1756 The Seven Years War with France (Pitt's trade war) begins
1760 George II dies - George III Hanover, his grandson, becomes king
- Beginning of intense Inclosure Acts in England
1762 Earliest Unitarian registers
1764 Lloyd's Register of shipping first prepared
- Practice of numbering houses introduced to London
1765 Stamp Act passed - imposed a tax on publications and legal documents in the American colonies
1769 Capt James Cook maps the coast of New Zealand
1770 Capt James Cook lands in Australia (Botany Bay) formally claims Australia for Britain
1772 First Navy Lists published
1775 Battle of Lexington: first action in American War of Independence (1775-1783)
1776 American Declaration of Independence
- Somerset House in London becomes the repository of records of population
1780 The Gordon Riots
- Earliest Wesleyan registers
1781 Lord Cornwallis's army surrenders to George Washington; ends the American War of Independence
1783 Duty payable on Parish Register entries (3d per entry - repealed 1794) - led to a fall in entries
1788 First convicts (and free settlers) arrive in New South Wales - the 'First Fleet'
1789 14 Jul: The French Revolution begins - storming of the Bastille
1791 Establishment of the Ordnance Survey of Great Britain
1793 England declares war on France (1793-1802)
- Execution of Louis XVI - Reign of Terror starts in France
1795 Speenhamland Act proclaims that the Parish is responsible for bringing up the labourer's wage to subsistence level
1798 The Irish Rebellion; 100,000 peasants revolt; approximately 25,000 die - Irish Parliament abolished
- Battle of the Nile (won by Nelson)
1799 'Combination Laws' in Britain against political associations and combinations
1800 Parliamentary union of Great Britain and Ireland
- Earliest Bible Christian registers

1801-1850

1801 First census puts the population of England and Wales at 9,168,000 - population of Britain nearly 11 million (75% rural)
1802 Treaty of Amiens signed by Britain, France, Spain, and the Netherlands
1803 Peace of Amiens ends on 12 May - resumption of war with France - The Napoleonic Wars (1803-18l5)
1805 - 21 Oct: Nelson's victory at Trafalgar
1806 Earliest Primitive Methodist registers
1807 Parliament passes Act prohibiting slavery and the importation of slaves from 1808 - but does not prohibit colonial slavery
1808 Peninsular War (1808-1814)
- Beginning of 'Luddite' troubles in England
1810 Bible Christians denomination formed by schism in Wesleyan Methodists
1811 Prince of Wales (future George IV) made Regent after George III deemed insane
1812 Prime Minister, Spencer Perceval, assassinated
- Napoleon retreats from Moscow
1813 Rose's Act (1812) established a printed format for baptism & burial registers
1814 Napoleon abdicates and is exiled to Elba
1815 - 1 Mar: Napoleon escapes Elba; arrives in France
- 18 Jun: The Battle of Waterloo: Napoleon defeated and exiled to St. Helena
1819 Peterloo Massacre at Manchester
1820 Accession of George IV, previously Prince Regent
1821 Napoleon Bonaparte dies on St Helena
- Populations: France 30.4M, German States 26M, Britain 20.8M, Italian States 18M, Austria 12M, the USA 9.6M
1824 Pitt's Combination Acts repealed (Trades Unions allowed)
1829 Earliest Irvingite registers
1830 George IV dies - his brother, William IV, accedes to the throne
- Agricultural 'Swing' Riots in southern England, repressed with many transportations
1833 Factory Act forbids employment of children below age of 9
1834 Slavery abolished in British possessions
- Poor Law amendment, tightening up relief
- Tolpuddle Martyrs transported (to Australia) for Trades Union activities
1835 Earliest Universalist registers
1836 First Potato famine in Ireland
1837 William IV dies - accession of Queen Victoria (to 1901)
- 1 Jul: Compulsory registration of Births, Marriages & Deaths in England & Wales - Registration Districts were formed
1840 Last convicts landed in NSW (some say 1842 or 1849)
1841 6 Jun: First full census in Britain in which all names were recorded
- Population: Britain 18.5M, USA 17M, Ireland 8M
1842 Civil Registration in Channel Islands started
- Illustrated London News published
1844 Outdoor Relief Prohibition Order - parish relief received only in a workhouse
1848 General revolutionary movement throughout the Continent ('Year of Revolution')
- Marx and Engels The Communist Manifesto

1851-1900

1851 - 30 Mar: Second full British Census
1852 Tasmania ceases to be a convict settlement
1854 Allied armies land in Crimea
1855 Registration of births, marriages & deaths made compulsory in Scotland
1856 End of Crimean War
1857 London postal districts introduced
1857-8 Indian Mutiny
1858 Proving of Wills taken out of ecclesiastical jurisdiction
1861 American Civil War begins
- 7 Apr: Third full British Census
- Prince Albert dies
- Populations: Russia 76M, USA 32M, Italy 25M, Britain 23M
1864 Civil Registration in Ireland starts
- Civil Registration of marriages in Isle of Man starts
1865 End of American Civil War - slavery abolished in USA
1867 Dominion of Canada founded
1868 Last British election for which Poll Books available
- Last convicts landed in (Western) Australia
1871 - 2 Apr: Fourth full British census
- Trades Unions legalised in Britain, but picketing made illegal
- Commissions in British armed forces no longer to be purchased
1872 Secret Ballot introduced in Britain (no further Poll Books produced)
- Penalties introduced for failing to register births, marriages & deaths (Eng. & Wales)
1874 Disraeli and the Tories come to power in Britain - pass 11 major Acts of social reform in next 2 years
- First Trades Union MP is elected
- Factory Act introduces 56-hour week
1876 Victoria proclaimed Empress of India
1879 Zulu war
1880 Greenwich Mean Time adopted throughout UK
1881 - 3 Apr: Fifth full British Census
- First Boer War - Transvaal independence recognised
- Flogging abolished in Army and Royal Navy
1883 Married Women's Property Act of 1882 becomes law
1887 Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee
1891 5 Apr: Sixth full British Census
1893 Keir Hardy founds Independent Labour Party
1897 Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee
1899-1902 Second Boer War
1900 Relief of Ladysmith
- Relief of Mafeking

1901-1960

1901 Commonwealth of Australia founded
- Queen Victoria dies - Edward VII king
- 31 Mar: Seventh full British Census
1902 Second Boer War ends
1906 Labour Party formed
1907 New Zealand becomes a Dominion
1909 Old Age Pensions Act came into force
1910 Union of South Africa formed - Botha first Prime Minister
- Edward VII dies - George V king
1911 - 2 Apr Census: Pop. Eng.&Wales 36M, Scot. 4.6M, North.Ire. 1.25M
1912 The Titanic sinks on maiden voyage - loss of 1,513 lives
- Captain Scott's last expedition - he and his team die on way back from the south pole
1913 Suffragette demonstrations in London
1914 -1918 First World War (The Great War)
1914 - 28 Jun: Archduke Ferdinand assassinated in Sarajevo
- 4 Aug: Britain declares war on Germany
- Oct-Nov: Battle of Ypres - beginning of trench warfare on western front
- First Zeppelin air raid on England
1915 - Apr-May: Second Battle of Ypres - poison gas used for first time
- 25 Apr: Gallipoli campaign starts
- 7 May: RMS Lusitania sunk by German submarine off coast of Ireland - 1,198 died
- Coalition Government formed in Britain under Asquith
1916 - Feb-Dec: Battle of Verdun - appalling losses on both sides
- 24 Apr: Easter Rising in Ireland
- 31 May-1 Jun: Battle of Jutland - only major naval battle between the British and German fleets
- 1 Jul: Battle of the Somme starts - first use of tanks by Britain
- Compulsory military service introduced in Britain
1917 - February revolution in Russia; Tsar Nicholas abdicates
- USA declares war on Germany
- 16 Apr: Lenin returns to Russia after exile
- Jul-Nov: Battle of Passchendaele
- October Revolution in Russia - Bolsheviks overthrow provisional government; Lenin becomes Chief Commissar
1918 - Jul-Aug: Second Battle of the Marne: last major German offensive
- 11 Nov: Armistice signed
- War of Independence in Ireland
- World-wide 'flu epidemic
1919 Treaty of Versailles
1920 First meeting of the League of Nations
1921 - 19 Jun: Census: Pop. Eng. & Wales 37.9M, Scot. 4.9M, North. Ire. 1.25M
- Irish Free State and Northern Ireland formed
1922 Fall of Lloyd-George coalition
- Law of Property Act - the manorial system effectively ended
1923 Mussolini becomes dictator of Italy
- Canberra made Federal Capital of Australia
1924 First Labour government, headed by Ramsay MacDonald
- Death of Lenin; succeeded by Stalin
1925 Adolf Hitler writes Mein Kampf
1926 - 26 Apr: General Strike begins, till 12 May (mine workers for 6 months more)
- Adoption of children is legalised in Britain
1928 Women over 21 get vote in Britain - same qualification for both sexes
1929 Abolition of Poor Law system in Britain
- Minimum age for a marriage in Britain (which had been 14 for a boy and 12 for a girl) now 16 for both sexes, with parental consent (or a licence) needed for anyone under 21
1930 First Nazis elected to the German Reichstag
- R101 airship disaster - British abandons airship construction
1931 - 26 Apr Census: Pop. Eng.&Wales 40M, Scot. 4.8M, North.Ire. 1.24M (but details destroyed by fire during WW2)
- Statute of Westminster: British Dominions become independent sovereign states
1933 Hitler becomes German Chancellor
1934 Hitler becomes Fuehrer of Germany
- Mao Tse-tung's 'Long March' starts in China
1935 Italy invades Abyssinia
1936 - 20 Jan: George V dies; Edward VIII king
- 18 Jul: Spanish Civil War starts
- 5 Dec: Edward VIII abdicates Duke of York becomes George VI
1937 Chamberlain becomes Prime Minister in Britain
- German planes bomb Guernica in Spain
- Japanese forces invade China
1938 Germany invades and annexes Austria
- Chamberlain visits Hitler in Munich - promises 'peace in our time'
1939 Germany annexes Czechoslovakia
- 1 Sep: Germany invades Poland
- 3 Sep: Britain and France declare war on Germany at 5pm
- 6 Sep: First air-raid on Britain
- 11 Sep: British Expeditionary Force sent to France
- 14 Oct: HMS Royal Oak sunk in Scapa Flow with loss of 810 lives
1940 - 11 May: National Government formed under Churchill
- 24 May: Germany invades France
- 27 May-4 Jun: Evacuation of British Army at Dunkirk
- 25 Jun: Fall of France
- 7 Sep: Germany launches bombing blitz on Britain
- 15 Sep: Battle of Britain in the air ends with British victory
- Trotsky assassinated on Stalin's orders
1941 No census - total British population estimated at 48.2M
- 22 June: Germany invades Russia
- 7 Dec: Japan attacks US fleet at Pearl Harbour
- Britain introduces severe rationing
1942 - 30 May: Over 1,000 bombers raid Cologne
- 4 Jun: Battle of Midway
- 19 Aug: Abortive raid on Dieppe, largely by Canadian troops
- 6 Sep: Germans defeated at Stalingrad
- 23 Oct-4 Nov: Battle of El Alamein - Montgomery defeats Rommel
1943 - May: 'Dam Buster' raids on Ruhr dams by RAF
- 24 Jul: Allies invade Italy - Benito Mussolini resigns as Italian Dictator
1944 - 4 Jun: Allies enter Rome
- 6 Jun: D-Day invasion of Normandy
-12 Jun: First V1 flying bombs hit London
- 8 Sep: First V2 rocket bombs hit London
- 11 Sep: Allies enter Germany
- 16 Dec: Battle of the Bulge: German counter-offensive
1945 Yalta Conference between Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin
- 25 Apr: Berlin surrounded by Russian troops
- 30 Apr: Hitler commits suicide
- 8 May: Victory in Europe Day
- 6 Aug: Atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima
- 9 Aug: Atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki
- 15 Aug: Victory in Japan Day
- 2 Sep: Japanese surrender
1946 First session of new United Nations Organisation
1947 India gains independence: sub-continent partitioned to form India and Pakistan
1948 Gandhi assassinated
- Apartheid starts in South Africa
- Berlin airlift starts
- National Health Service begins in Britain
1949 Russians lift the Berlin blockade
- 1950 Points rationing ends in Britain
- Petrol rationing ends in Britain
- Korean War starts (to 27 Jul 1953)
- Soap rationing ends in Britain
1951 Census: Pop. Eng.& Wales 43.7M, Scot. 5M. North.Ire. 1.37M
1952 George VI dies
- End of tea rationing in Britain
1953 Sweet rationing ends in Britain
- Everest conquered by Hillary and Tensing
- Coronation of Elizabeth II
- Sugar rationing ends in Britain (after nearly 14 years)
- Death of Stalin: Malenkov becomes Premier of USSR
- End of the Korean War
1954 Food rationing officially ends in Britain
1956 Britain and France invade Suez
1957 Sputnik I launched by Soviet Union - first artificial satellite
1959 Postcodes introduced in Britain
1960 Sharpeville Massacre in South Africa

GANDERs and GANDARs in of London

1790-1905

From 'Palmer's Index' - Page 1

27 Jul 1801 p.2 col.a: under 'Bankrupts':
'Wm. GANDAR, St.John's-street, plasterer.'

3 Aug 1801 p.3 col.d:
'Meetings of Creditors at Guildhall - This day: W. GANDER, St.John's-street, plasterer M1 N10 (?).'

4 Sep 1801 p.3 col.d:
'Meeting of Creditors at Guildhall - Tomorrow Sept 5: W. GANDER, St.John-street, plasterer 3 10.'

4 Dec 1809 p.2 col.d:
'At Marlborough Str Magistrates - (Summary of newspaper report by Des Gander) - A Capt. ROLFES, a Dutch Capt. (lodging when in England at 'Mrs Scott's in St.Catherine's, Wapping') was in company with a friend William GANDER - left Wapping - had a drink in a public house in Drury Lane - there was a dispute at the end of the evening regarding 'the reckoning'. A Watchman was called, the Capt. ROLFES was charged with stealing a key, and Mr. GANDER with assault.

- the result of the court hearing was that 'all parties were discharged'.

1 Nov 1811 p.4 col.a:
'Meeting of Creditors at Guildhall for Nov 2 - F. GANDER, K. GANDER and A. GARDDNER(sic), Cannon Street, Merchants [div.] (?)12.'

8 Jul 1826 p.2 col.a: 'Bankrupts:
Edward GANDAR, Bedford-place, Commercial-road, brazier, July 15, 22, Aug 18, at the Bankrupt's Court, Basinghall-street. Solicitor, Mr Baddeley, Leman-street, Goodman's fields.'

1 Dec 1829 p.3 col.e:
'Worship Street. Michael GANDER, a decent looking young man, was re-examined before Mr. Bennett charged with stealing a small box, containing a number of silver spoons and several gold mourning and other rings, from the house of Mrs M'Auliff, Weymouth-terrace. The prisoner had been a lodger in the house for five or six weeks, but on Wednesday night having sent the servant girl out of the parlour on some frivolous errand, he had disappeared from the place when she returned, and with him the property in question. He was taken into custody last week in Bishopsgate-church, in the act of leading to the altar a smart servant girl, who had consented to be his wife.

He was remanded, to give further time for tracing the property.'

(I have further record of this Michael; he was transported to Australia and given a 'Ticket of Leave or Pardon' in 1839. There is a description of him with previous occupation in 'Convict Indents' in the State Library of New South Wales).

10 Dec 1836 p.6 col.e: 'Bankruptcies:
Joshua Darwin GANDER, Brill-row, Somers-town, licensed victualler, Dec 16, Jan 20, at 12 o'clock, at the Bankrupts' Court; solicitor, Mr. Dimmock, Bond-court, Walbrook; official assignee, Mr. Abbott.

2 Mar 1838 p.7 col.b:
'East Sussex Adjourned Trial of Prisoners. Epiphany Sessions in Lewes 21 Feb 1838. George GANDER, Labourer, aged 45 stood indicted for stealing at Herstmonceux, two bushells (sic) of wheat, the property of Thomas ARKCOLL. Guilty, and having been convicted of a felony, sentenced to seven years transportation.'

6 Jun 1838 p.6 col.d: The GANDER mentioned below can be identified as Charles Buck GANDAR (also GANDER) c.1814-1886.


'Civil Action - HANDLEY v GANDER:
Sheriff's Court, Red Lion Square June 5th (before Mr.Under-Sheriff Burchell). This was an action for false imprisonment. Mr. Miller stated the case on the part of the plaintiff and called the following witnesses:

George Mason - I am captain in the 4th, or King's Own Regiment, and lived in the month of April last at 52, Brook Street, Grosvenor Square. Jane Handley, the sister of the plaintiff, was lady's maid to my wife. She was at this time ill, and I thought it better she should go to her friends in the country. Plaintiff came between 10 and 11 o'clock on the night of the 30th of April to my house. His sister's things were given to him. I gave him a check for her wages £4-6s (ie 4GBP and 6 shillings), on Messrs Coutts and Co; it was on plain paper. I told him he could get it cashed if he took it to someone who knew him. He came back in about three quarters of an hour and said that he had taken it to the defendant who keeps the Prince Regent in Seymour-place, Marylebone, where he was in the habit of going, and that the defendant said it was a forgery. I immediately wrote a note or certificate, and sent my servant back with him. They did not return, and I was fetched about 10 o'clock by a policeman to the station-house, where the plaintiff and my servant were in custody for uttering a forged check. Upon my explaining the circumstances, they were liberated. Andrew Atkins stated, he was a servant to the last witness in April last, and now to Admiral Stewart, and confirmed the testimony of his master. Thomas Bain, 79D, stated he took the plaintiff into custody by order of the defendant. It was two hours from the time he first took them until they were liberated.

William Arrowsmith, 17D, said he was acting inspector on the 30th April and confirmed the statement of the last witness as to the time the plaintiff was in custody. Mr. C. Jones addressed the Jury for the defendant in mitigation of damages, and the Under-Sheriff, having summed up, the Jury returned a verdict for the plaintiff. Damages GBP2, costs 40s.'

09 May 1840 p.6 col.d: 'Thames Police Court:
On Thursday two women named Elizabeth GANDER and Elizabeth CLARKE, paupers belonging to Wapping Workhouse comprised in the Stepney Union, were brought before Mr. BALLANTINE charged with being disorderly and acting contrary to the rules of the house.

SUTTON, the master of the house, stated that a few minutes previously, one of the prisoners came to him in a very rough sort of manner, and said she wanted to get her discharge, because she had quarrelled with the other prisoner about the picking of some oakum. He immediately called the police and gave both of them into custody.

Mr. BALLANTINE - Does the Act of Parliament say that I am to discuss every wrangle that takes place in a workhouse?
SUTTON - One spoke very abruptly, and the other used saucy words to her.
Mr. BALLANTINE - And you want me to decide upon this!
SUTTON - Yes, Sir, they ought to be punished for disorder and riot.
Mr. BALLANTINE - Have you any evidence that they were guilty of riotous and disorderly conduct?
SUTTON - They acknowledged to me that they scolded each other. They can explain it to you.
Mr. BALLANTINE - I will not call upon them to convict themselves out of their own mouths. I think you could settle a wrangle between two women concerned in picking oakum without bringing them here. A few words of remonstrance, or a separation for a short time, would have succeeded. If they create a disturbance, or do anything to set aside the regulations or economy of the house, bring them here, and if a case is made out I can punish them.
SUTTON - She spoke to me very abruptly.
Mr. BALLANTINE - Nonsense; they are all abrupt. Do you expect much gentility from these women? Is this a case to bring here?
SUTTON - They were disorderly no doubt, but it is impossible for me to hear everything.
Mr. BALLANTINE - Well, then, stop till you do hear something, and then bring the parties here.
SUTTON - Others did hear, your Worship.
Mr. BALLANTINE - Well, then, where are they?
SUTTON - I have not brought them.
Mr. BALLANTINE - The women must be discharged. Show me that they have interfered with the general good conduct and order of the house, and I will punish them; but if it is merely a wrangle between two women I will not do it. Some allowances should be made for the peculiarities of women circumstanced as these are.

The woman GANDER here burst into tears, and said the tyranny of the master and the rules of the workhouse were quite insupportable. She had a child five years old separated from her in Limehouse workhouse, belonging to the union and she only wanted to go out and see it, but was denied permission. When she asked the master for an order he locked her up. She had not seen her child for months, and she wanted to go out and see how it was getting on, and ask the father for some support for it.

Mr. BALLANTINE - Apply to the board of guardians, and do it respectfully, and I am sure they will do what is right; and if it is proper that you should do so, they will let you see your child.
SUTTON - She does only fancy that, Sir. She wants to go out and look after her child.
Mr. BALLANTINE - There is nothing very extraordinary in a mother's wishing to see her offspring.
SUTTON - Yes, Sir, but she will not come back again.
Mr. BALLANTINE - If she does not, you will have no cause to complain.

The prisoner CLARKE begged leave to speak. She wished to know if she was to be confined for ever in the union workhouse? She had a quarrel with her husband, who had ill-used her, and put herself into the house. Her husband paid the guardians 4s per week for her support, and she was obliged to work very hard, so that the union gained by her. She had been confined six months in the workhouse and was not even allowed a drop of warm water or say tea. A little cold water only was given her when she went to bed.

Mr. BALLANTINE - If you have any complaint to make apply to the board of guardians, but do it in a proper manner. If you are ill-used you can always come here, but you must not be wrangling.
CLARK - I do not wish to wrangle, Sir, but the place is worse than a prison, and why should I be punished so? My husband allows the guardians 4s per week, and I cannot have a drop of tea or warm water, I wish to leave the place.
GANDER - may I go and see my child, Sir?
SUTTON - They have the dietary of the house, and I shall take them back. I shall have occasion to bring them here again to be punished.
Mr. BALLANTINE - I don't know that.
SUTTON - They are dreadful bad characters.
Mr. BALLANTINE - I differ with you; I don't think they are.

The latter part of this conversation was going on as the prisoners were leaving the bar, and they retired with the master of the union-house, crying loudly.'